I'm for Obama

I'm for Obama. I will wake up early on November 4th and vote. I will stay up late waiting to see him declared the winner. Why? Because 'it's about the Democratic agenda, stupid,' and I like him.

One other thing. As much as I'm rooting for Obama, and I love the new ad, I will contribute $0.00 to Obama and $0.00 to the DNC unless she's VP. That's just my personal preference, which I have every right to.

That said, he has my vote no matter whom he chooses.

Go Obama!



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I sent them my two cents today (none / 0)

literally, I put two pennies in the envelope they sent me,and put two pennies in there, with a paper that said in blue Hillary for VEEP and sent it off to Washington


by Lakrosse on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:41:04 PM EST

Re: I sent them my two cents today (none / 0)

Processing that is going to cost more than $0.02. Probably not going to generate a lot of warmth towards the Senator from New York.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:34:53 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, I get it. And now I'm passionate, of course, that Obama win. I also trust him to pick whom he wants.  


by NY Writer on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:43:58 PM EST

Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

He really has to pick who he wants. If he was required to take the most popular person in the party Al Gore would be forced to run. But instead its a decision that requires alot of care.  Certainly its your choice who to support and how, but if theres one thing i would urge, dont let the VP decision be the sole reason.


by zavlin on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:52:20 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (1.00 / 2)

VP will be my sole reason on the D ticket this cycle.

No Hillary no Dem votes this cycle top to bottom.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:06:18 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 4)

Impressive.  The number two on the ticket will determine which of your Congressional candidates best represents you?

That's absolutely your right.  And it's my right to tell you that this makes about as much sense as me sticking my head in a blender to piss off my girlfriend.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:08:38 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (1.00 / 2)

My congressional candidates were silent on the matter of Florida and Michigan getting democracy this cycle...

I may vote against them regardless of Hillary on VP.

The democratic party pissed me off this cycle and I won't soon get over it.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:23:41 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Should Roe v. Wade go "the way of the dodo" as a result of this election, I will be sure to thank you.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:31:58 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Roe v Wade would only affect at most  a few states.

Having the states make the law rather than the Judges make the law was clearly what was intended.

California Had a 60/40 ballot initiative overturned by a 5/4 judge ruling on Gay marriage.

Imagine how you would feel if that ruling went against you...Well maybe I should say when that ruling goes against you.

If we don't have the votes to make it law it shouldn't be law.

If we do have the votes then the courts shouldn't be able to take it from us.

Democracy is funny like that.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:38:06 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Actually we're a republic.  Meaning your decision not to vote for a single Democrat, down the middle, because you disagree with previously announced, and agreed upon, DNC rules is about as well-thought out as a putting ketchup in your beer.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:51:01 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

I don't like the DNC rule so voting against the DNC is foolish?

I REALLY don't like that rule.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:58:57 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

I don't recall the DNC being on the ballot anywhere.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:10:16 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

What a bunch of bullshit. The purpose of a bill of rights is to protect minority interests from the tyranny of majorities. Segregated schools/restaurants/etc. had majority support; anti-miscegeny laws enjoyed majority support; sodomy laws had majority support; and any number of restrictions on free expression have enjoyed majority support.

That how "rights" work. To have a right is to have a claim that trumps the general welfare. I'm not inclined to lecture you about the theoretical basis of rights theory, but suffice it to say that you would be screaming and yelling about your rights if the police showed up without a warrant to search your house.


by DPW on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:51:03 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

So lets take that to its logical conclusion.

You have the votes on row v wade.

But what if its wrong?  Thats a matter for the court to decide.

If Obama loses and its overturned future generations will give the same speech you just did about abortion....

I am saying that I prefer democracy to some judge who I have never heard of deciding to over rule the popular vote.

Reminds me of Dean over ruling the democratic party vote.  Although I conceed that Obama won the popular vote if you count the GOP and indy votes if you count his likely 2/3 of undecided support in Michigan which is fair for a true mandate of ~30,000 votes.

But he clearly lost the democratic party registered member vote.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:57:36 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Here's the problem with these attacks on judges. The judicial activism that people decry doesn't really involve lawmaking in the ordinary sense. That is, judges aren't legislating from the bench when they decide these controversial constitutional cases. Rather, judges are enforcing limitations on the authority of the state to legislate. Judges are telling the state what it can do; they aren't regulating the conduct of private citizens in the way that normal laws do.

Hopefully, everyone can agree that a legitimate state is limited in its power to enact and enforce rules of conduct; furthermore, I think everyone would agree that some principle of equality should constrain the way governments distribute the burdens and benefits produced through state action. Law must be distinguishable from brute force, which means that ultimately rules/force must meet certain normative (i.e., moral) criteria to constitute "law" in the politically legitimate sense.

Now, given this commonly shared understanding of law in liberal democracies, some kind of institution must exist to review state action and ensure that such action operates within the constraints imposed by political legitimacy.
That institution in our society is the court. And, we have the added benefit of a written constitution which specifically allocates political power and enumerates certain rights to assist judges in exercise of judicial review.

So, courts provide the important function of judicial review in a legal system, and in some cases that will involve the invalidation of laws that reflect the majoritarian will. But, the judge isn't making law, really. He is applying the law (as prescribed by constitutional language and more general principles of due process and equality) to legislative and executive branches.

As far as Roe and its progeny is concerned, although I am staunchly pro-choice, I think it's a terribly written opinion. I think a much better case could be made for the constitutional right to abortion, but I concede that restrictions on abortion are not obviously unconstitutional in the way anti-sodomy laws are, for instance.

But, I'm sticking up for the larger principle of judicial review and the anti-majoritarian function of political rights.


by DPW on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:22:12 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

By that logic, Brown v. Board of Ed. was a bad decision, because clearly a vote in most southern states at the time would have approved school segregation.


by yhf1979 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:42:48 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

When the decisions go your way its always something you like.

Very soon the decisions from the SCOTUS will start going against us.

You won't be happy about courts over ruling voters then.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:49:16 PM EST
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Ahh, you think you are teaching us a lesson. (none / 0)

Living with all that anger must be exhausting. Willing to screw over your family, children, grandchildren, parents, and friends to make a point and get revenge for perceived wrongs is just plain stupid.


by batgirl71 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:06:06 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

That's a perfectly good argument against Hillary Clinton becoming president, because she will appoint judges that will support Roe, Brown, etc. If you want strict constructionist judges, McCain is your man, and you should have voted for him regardless of whatever attachment you have to Hillary Clinton as a personality.


by yhf1979 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:10:17 PM EST
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We are a constitutional democratic republic. (none / 0)

Remember the constitution? It's there to protect the basic rights of minorities against majority rule.


by batgirl71 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:59:55 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Another vote for Johnny McGaffe...You have to wonder if his campaign just spins a wheel that tells him what stances to take on issues on a daily bases.  I see more flip-flops from him than I do in a month at the Outer Banks.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:31:26 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 2)

Can I just say that I think that's a profoundly short-sighted attitude - and one that Hillary Clinton herself would undoubtedly reject?

Regardless of who Barack Obama chooses for VP - or whether or not Sen. Clinton chooses to accept the role, if it's offered - Hillary Clinton's agenda will not be furthered if people let their support of her trump their support of the Democratic Party.


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by mistersite on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:10:23 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

I vote to further my agenda.  

To the extent that my agenda and the Clinton agenda overlap I vote for them.

To the extent that my agenda and the democratic party agenda overlap I vote for them.

But there wasn't much overlap between me and Pelosi, or Dean, or Boxer regarding democracy, And I clearly told Feinstein that I expected her to take a stand on Florida and she didn't.

It would shortsighted for me to vote against my agenda.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:28:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Lord save us from the "me" generation....

Your agenda...?  How about the viable future of the country?  How about the agenda of the poor and middle class in this election?

Both parties have pi$$ed me off lately... FISA's resurgence is just the latest example... but, as much as the Dems may disappoint me, at least they are not downright dangerous for the agenda of anyone who makes less than $1 mil a year....


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:35:35 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

I know I know controlling my own vote the way I want to control it is a travesty.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:40:57 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 1)

no, you're right... it is your vote.. but crowing about "your agenda" while saying you won't even vote for down-ticket Democrats is what is the travesty.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:03:31 PM EST
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Vote for McCain, then (none / 0)

Obama doesn't need the "I can't tell the difference between a Democratic and a Republican Administration" bloc of voters to win. If you don't know, you'll never know.  If the environment, civil rights, and war don't concern you now after 8 years of GOP misrule, then you're lost already.

All these diaries about why someone will withhold their vote, time, or money are bitter pieces of crap and achieve nothing (especially on a site dedicated to electing Democrats). Cheers!


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:04:42 PM EST
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When did you let them know (none / 0)

about your agenda?  Was it before the primaries began, back in August?


by JJE on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:41:35 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (1.50 / 2)

Your only aganda is counting the fake results from a fake Primaries? Only the generals in Burma would agree with you that the Michigan Primary was a fair election.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:24:29 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

So will you vote for McCain?  Nader?  McKinney?

Funny thing is, if she is the VP I probably won't donate to Obama because I don't want my money going to pay off her reckless debt.


by Drummond on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:11:11 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (1.00 / 2)

If I was going to vote for anyone other than McCain it would be Hillary.

But a McCain vote is twice as powerful as a Hillary vote in terms of making a statement.

But Hillary as VP would make me a very happy ticket supporter.  Someone had to come in second.

But to the people trying to tell me that Hillary has to come in less than second I say no that would be too much to swallow.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:22:05 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (2.00 / 2)

A 'Statement' vote? Is that what you said? Really? You're going to make a 'statement' by voting for 'Endless war' McCain? Really? You feel your personal frustration and anger is important enough to throw your support behind a person who doesn't believe in birth control, family planning, who doesn't even know if he believes that condoms stop the spread of AIDS, someone against diplomacy, against Habeas rights for people he doesn't like, against the rule of law when it gets in the way, but totally okay with torture as long as the CIAs doing it.

A 'statement' vote was in vogue back when every election was a blowout. But in an era where elections come down to a few thousand votes, you're going to put your own frustration with DNC rules ahead of the poor, the disenfranchised, the health of our soldiers, the health of American women, the middle class, the working class, the unemployed, the soon-to-be unemployed, the environment, and all countries that aren't Saudi Arabia.
You're that selfish? Really?


by EvilAsh on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:20:20 PM EST
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You win (none / 0)

50 McCain Points from the G.O.P. and a donut from me.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:40:29 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Sure.  It would be a statement for a Supreme Court willing to deprive women of choice.  It would be a statement for continued war in Iraq and new war in Iran.  It would be a statement against universal health care.

This screams volumes as to why Clinton lost.


by Drummond on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 12:17:12 AM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

I don't want my money going to pay off her reckless debt

Doesn't work that way. Only funds donated directly to the Hillary campaign  can go to pay down her debt. Money donated to the ticket can only be used or the election.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:27:31 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Oops replied to wrong comment .... apologies


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:03:38 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Cool!


by Drummond on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 12:18:03 AM EST
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I hope you'll consider giving money to some (none / 0)

good candidates for other offices.

Maybe help us increase the number of Democratic women in Congress?


by bobdoleisevil on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
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Re: I hope you'll consider giving money to some (none / 0)

No.  If Hillary can't be VP, then we want the country to go to hell in a handbasket!  That will send a statement!


by Drummond on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 12:19:01 AM EST
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I too am for Obama (2.00 / 1)

I hope Obama picks Wes Clark for his VP, but if he doesn't I will continue to donate money to his campaiign, as I have since sending my first donation to his exploratory committee in hope that he would decide to run. I am 54, and I have been waiting all my life for a candidate like Barack Obama.

I will volunteer for the Barack Obama, Christine Gregoire, and Darcy Burner campaigns.

I will donate to Jeff Merkley's Senate race in Oregon to get rid of Republican Gordon Smith.
If you can, please send some love to Merkley who is far behind Smith in fundraising.

http://www.jeffmerkley.com/

Together we can pull our country out of the deep hole the current pResident crashed it into while  drunk on arrogance, and blinded by hubris.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:10:35 PM EST
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That's okay, we'll pay Obama's way (none / 0)

You can enjoy the fruits of our labors while doing nothing to help.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:12:37 AM EST
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Oh, but SURELY (2.00 / 2)

watching Hannity lose his shit on Election Night is worth something! I will be burning it onto DvD...

But seriously, glad we're getting your vote. That's all they can ask of you.


by Neef on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:52:46 PM EST

Re: I'm for Obama (1.66 / 3)

Your vote is more than enough.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:56:40 PM EST

Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

Thank you.  I am more than happy with your sentiments.  Donations are personal, and I'm sure a lot of us hadn't really made many or any prior to this cycle.  You have to be very comfortable indeed to make one.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:05:58 PM EST

AGREED!!! (none / 0)

I will do exactly the same.  AND send nasty emails to the DNC every day about the way they handled the whole affair.  Not a penny from me either (not that he really needs it - but it's a matter of principle).


by easyE on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:10:00 PM EST

Re: AGREED!!! (2.00 / 3)

I applaud your activism.  I'm being serious.  You can hold their feet to the fire.  You should if you feel they've earned it.  I actually want you to do so.  Nothing else will keep them honest.

But voting for Obama means you're not fucking the country while you do it.  I can live with your position.  Thank you.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:11:35 PM EST
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Re: I'm for Obama (none / 0)

If she is the VP I probably won't donate to Obama because I don't want my money going to pay off her reckless debt.


by Drummond on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:11:49 PM EST

I don't think that's how it works (2.00 / 1)

His presidential campaign cannot legally donate to her campaign.


by JJE on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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Polling for Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Foxnews has Obama leading McCain 45-41 (which is a seven point jump from last time; so good news here) when third-party candidates Barr and Nader are excluded.  When it's Obama/Clinton v. McCain/Romney, the good guys take a statistically significant 48-41 lead.  Some have contended that the topline number is misleading because Romney is the one driving down McCain's support, rather than Clinton increasing Obama's support.  Reasonable people can disagree.  


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:15:29 PM EST

She made a private phone call (2.00 / 1)

to her fundraisers, imploring them to start donating to Obama.  Greg Sargent heard the entire call (so how was it private? I wonder if Jerome got in on the call).

She also pledged to come out with a statement about how women were treated during the campaign in the media.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:17:29 PM EST
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could you provide the link? (2.00 / 1)

im interested in reading.  thanks ;)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:30:36 PM EST
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Thanks for coming around... (none / 0)

You've been a vocal and great advocate for Hillary.  Thanks for your contribution to our community.  I hope though that you wouldn't punish the DNC which is helping ALL Democrats for a decision that is completely out of their control.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:29:12 PM EST

Earlier in this campaign.... (none / 0)

...I scoffed at the idea that Hillary would be his VP pick. Now I'm starting to think otherwise.

I don't know what to think about that. Part of me feels she's not the best choice, but another part of me recognizes she got almost half the votes during the primary, and there's nothing that would bring healing to the democratic party more than an Obama/Clinton ticket.

Whoever he chooses--it's 'Go Obama '08!'


by Mystylplx on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:55:25 PM EST


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